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The Fisher Fallacies

Just because something is in print or on the web or on a CD doesn't make it true.

The genealogy of Anthony Fisher and his descendants is a good case study of the way in which information can be misinterpreted, incorrectly copied and even creatively embellished to produce a plethora of contradictory, inaccurate and confusing versions of the same basic facts.

Anthony Fisher was one of the earliest settlers in North America, and as a result, many Americans can trace their family tree back to him. The rapid growth in the use of personal computers and the web as tools for genealogical research has enabled many hundreds of Fisher descendants to trace their lineage back to Anthony Fisher.

Unfortunately, many of the most commonly-used sources of genealogical data contain information that is inconsistent, ambiguous or just plain wrong. Some common errors include

• Misunderstanding the geography of England, so that towns and villages are placed in counties hundreds of miles from their true locations, and county names are confused with the names of towns.
• Attempting to "correct" dates taken from original records prior to September 1752, in an effort to force them to fit the modern calendar. This often leads to several versions of the baptismal record for the same individual, with dates that differ by 11 days or 22 days or a single year or a year plus 11 days.
• Confusion between two people of the same name living in the same (or a neighbouring) village. These are often cousins who were named after a shared grandparent, or given a name that was popular within that family.
• Confusion caused by different spellings of the same name, which was very common even as late as the early 19th century.
• Assuming that a connection exists between two people, when there is no documentary evidence to support it. This sometimes happens when a researcher wishes to establish a link to a notable person.

At Obliquity, we are fortunate to have direct access to the English county record offices which house the primary sources of genealogical information for that period: the parish records of births, marriages and deaths.

Our information on the Fisher family is taken from these primary sources and is as accurate as we can make it, taking into account the difficulties of translating the fading and often illegible handwriting in centuries-old parish record books.

Of course, it would be unwise for us to claim that we're infallible! If you believe that we have made a mistake here (or have missed out some other glaring errors), then please let us know. We look forward to hearing from you.

The Players

1. William Fisher I
   Buried 4 July 1591 in South Elmham St. James, Suffolk
   Married 15 October 1551 in Stradbroke, Suffolk, to Margaret Bert
   1. Jone Fisher
      Baptised 15 September 1553 in Stradbroke, Suffolk
   2. William Fisher II
      Baptised 20 July 1556 in Syleham, Suffolk
      Married 9 October 1587 in Fressingfield, Suffolk, to Anne Aldous
      1. Mary Fisher II
         Baptised 15 February 1589/90 in Fressingfield, Suffolk
      2. William Fisher III
         Baptised 27 December 1593 in Fressingfield, Suffolk
   3. Agnes Fisher
      Baptised 1 February 1558/59 in Stradbroke, Suffolk
      Buried 4 January 1562/63 in Stradbroke, Suffolk
   4. Anthony Fisher I
      Baptised 1 February 1558/59 in Stradbroke, Suffolk
      Buried 11 April 1640 in Syleham, Suffolk
      Married 16 October 1586 in Fressingfield, Suffolk, to Mary Fiske
      1. Joshua Fisher I
         Baptised 24 March 1587/88 in Fressingfield, Suffolk
         Died 18 October 1674 in Medfield, Massachusetts Colony
         Married to Elizabeth and then to Anne Orsor
         The following children were born to Joshua and Elizabeth in England:
         1. Elizabeth Fisher
            Baptised 3 July 1619 in Syleham, Suffolk
         2. Joshua Fisher II
            Baptised 2 April 1621 in Syleham, Suffolk
            Died 10 August 1672 in Dedham, Massachusetts Colony
         3. Mary Fisher III
            Baptised 1 January 1622/3 in Redenhall, Norfolk
            Died 6 August 1691 in Dedham, Massachusetts Colony
         4. Hester Fisher II
            Baptised 20 July 1625 in Redenhall, Norfolk
            Buried 24 July 1625 in Redenhall, Norfolk
         5. Sarah Fisher
            Baptised 19 August 1627 in Redenhall, Norfolk
            Buried 1 September 1627 in Redenhall, Norfolk
         6. Amos Fisher II
            Baptised 12 August 1630 in Redenhall, Norfolk
            Buried 5 September 1630 in Redenhall, Norfolk
         7. infant Fisher
            Buried 6 August 1632 in Redenhall, Norfolk
         8. John Fisher III
            Baptised 20 January 1633/4 in Redenhall, Norfolk
            Died 3 July 1668 in Medfield, Massachusetts Colony
         9. Samuel Fisher
            Baptised 12 October 1635 in Redenhall, Norfolk
            Buried 19 April 1638 in Redenhall, Norfolk
      2. Mary Fisher I
         Baptised 28 November 1589 in Syleham, Suffolk
         Married 25 April 1626 in Dennington, Suffolk, to Roger Briggs
      3. Anthony Fisher II
         Baptised 23 April 1591 in Syleham, Suffolk
         Died 18 April 1671 in Dorchester, Massachusetts Colony
         Married to Alice (in England) and then to Isabel (in Massachusetts)
         The following children were born to Anthony and Alice in England:
         1. John Fisher II
            Baptised 16 June 1616 in Syleham, Suffolk
            Died 15 July 1637 in Dedham, Massachusetts Colony
         2. Daniel Fisher
            Baptised 4 June 1618 in Syleham, Suffolk
            Died 8 October 1683 in Dedham, Massachusetts Colony
         3. Lydia Fisher
            Baptised 4 March 1620/1 in Syleham, Suffolk
         4. Leah Fisher
            Baptised 27 January 1621/2 in Syleham, Suffolk
         5. Anthony Fisher III
            Baptised 7 August 1623 in Syleham, Suffolk
            Died 13 February 1669/70 in Dedham, Massachusetts Colony
         6. Nathaniel Fisher
            Baptised 22 October 1626 in Denton, Norfolk
            Died 23 May 1676 in Dedham, Massachusetts Colony
         7. Cornelius Fisher II
            Baptised 16 August 1629 in Denton, Norfolk
            Died 2 January 1699/1700 in Wrentham, Massachusetts Colony
      4. Amos Fisher I
         Baptised 26 April 1594 in Fressingfield, Suffolk
         Married 24 September 1633 in Syleham, Suffolk, to Anne Norris
      5. Martha Fisher
         Baptised 15 January 1595/96 in Fressingfield, Suffolk
         Buried 31 March 1659 in Syleham, Suffolk
         Married (1637 in Ipswich, Suffolk?) to John Buckenham
      6. John Fisher I
         Baptised 15 September 1597 in Syleham, Suffolk
         Buried 4 September 1636 in Syleham, Suffolk
         Married to Mary
      7. Cornelius Fisher I
         Baptised 19 August 1599 in Syleham, Suffolk
         Died 1641 in East Bergholt, Suffolk
         Married 22 September 1630 in Norwich, Norfolk, to Elizabeth Thaxter
      8. Hester Fisher I
         Buried 6 February 1607/08 in Syleham, Suffolk
   5. Jane Fisher
      Baptised 15 December 1560 in Stradbroke, Suffolk

The People

Agnes Fisher

She is often omitted from the Fisher genealogy, probably because she died at a young age, but she does appear in the baptismal and burial records of Stradbroke as a sister of Anthony Fisher I.

Alice versus Mary Bockenham/Buckenham/Buckingham

What was the name of Anthony Fisher II's wife? Mary is usually quoted. However, her name appears as Alice in the baptismal records of her youngest two children, Nathaniel and Cornelius, and in the Dedham burial records (spelled "Ellice"). Perhaps the surname of Buckenham (in various spellings) has been confused with the married name of her sister-in-law, Martha Buckenham nee Fisher.

Which Anthony Fisher?

Occasionally there is confusion over whose children are whose. The families of Anthony Fisher I and his son Anthony Fisher II are sometimes lumped together in one large family. An earlier version of this page used the terms "senior" and "junior" to differentiate between the various generations of Anthonies and we are indebted to Mr Tom Wightman for pointing out the confusion this may cause as our original Anthony junior would have been known as Anthony senior in Massachussets since his father never made the trip to the New World. We now use Roman numerals to distinguish between people of the same name, with earlier numbers denoting the oldest individuals.

Hester Fisher

She is often omitted from the Fisher genealogy but she does appear in the 1607/8 burial records of Syleham as a daughter of Anthony Fisher I.

The "twins" Joshua and Mary Fisher

This error can be traced back to the book The Fisher Genealogy: Record of the Descendants of Joshua, Anthony and Cornelius Fisher, of Dedham, Mass., 1636–1640 by Philip A. Fisher. In his book, Fisher claims that the 1585 Syleham parish records contain the entry

• Joshua Fysher et Maria Fysher, Gemini, baptisadi fuer 24th die Februarii ano super dicto

This is incorrect. That particular entry actually reads

• Joh[n]es Foster et Gracia Foster gemelli baptizati fuere 24te die februarij an(n)o p(re)dicto [1585]

which obviously has nothing to do with the Fisher family. Joshua Fisher and his sister Mary were baptised two years apart in two different parishes.

Leah Fisher

She is often omitted from the Fisher genealogy but she does appear in the baptismal records of Syleham as a daughter of Anthony Fisher II.

Lord of the Manor of Syleham

Some sources give one of the Anthony Fishers as "Lord of the Manor of Syleham." There were, in fact, three manors associated with Syleham. The Manor of Syleham Comitis has existed since Saxon times and the Manor of Esham dates back to at least 1285. The third manor, which no longer exists, was variously called the Manor of Syleham, Monk's Hall, Tylney's Hall, or Syleham Hall. Monk's Hall is now a private home and we were very privileged to be invited inside by the owners when we visited Syleham in early 1997. There is absolutely no evidence, however, that Anthony Fisher or any other member of the Fisher family was lord of any of these manors. Is this an example of delusions of grandeur by an ever-hopeful descendent?

Various spellings

Bridges versus Brigges versus Briggs.
Bockenham versus Buckenham versus Buckingham.
Marie versus Mary.

The Places

Custrichhall, Weeley, Essex

This location (in various spellings) often appears as the birth or baptismal place of various members of the Fisher clan, all because Amos Fisher lived here after his marriage in 1633.

East Bergholt, Suffolk

The same problem arises with East Bergholt. Cornelius Fisher, the brother of the aforesaid Amos, worked as a clerk (clergyman) here until his death in 1641.

Syleham, Weymouth, Suffolk
Syleham, Suffolk, Kent
Weymouth, Suffolk

These particular combinations of place names are often found in various sources on the web and elsewhere. Here is a small lesson in English geography:

• Syleham is a village in Suffolk.
• Suffolk is a county in the east of England.
• Weymouth is a town in Dorset.
• Dorset is a county in the southwest of England.
• Kent is a county in the southeast of England.

The proper combination is Syleham, Suffolk, England. In his book Genealogical and Personal Memoirs (Lewis Historical Publishing Company, New York, 1908), William Richard Cutter states that Anthony Fisher (1591–1671) is the immigrant son of Anthony and Mary Anne (Fiske) Fisher, of Weymouth, in the parish of Syleham, Suffolk, England. Perhaps Weymouth has been confused with the East Anglian port town of Yarmouth (now called Great Yarmouth) from which it is thought that Anthony Fisher, junior, departed England. Or perhaps, as has been suggested by Mr Geoff Fisk, that Cutter meant Weybread, a small Suffolk village just three miles northeast of Syleham. Where Kent comes in is anybody's guess. Perhaps another unrelated Fisher family originated in Kent.

Pre-1637 events in Massachusetts

The Anthony Fisher, junior, family did not arrive in America until 1637 so none of the children (John, Daniel, Lydia, Leah, Anthony, Nathaniel, Cornelius) could have been born there.

Various spellings

Custrichhall versus Custrich Hall versus Custridge Hall.
Weeley versus Wesley.

Our Sources

Primary

• Parish records
• Heigham by Norwich parish records NRO MF/PR 4
• St. Michael at Thorn (Norwich) archdeacon's transcripts NRO MF/RO 159/3
• Thorpe Abbotts parish records NRO PD 277/1-2
• Probated wills in Norfolk NRO MF 68 - Andrewes (152)
• Probated wills in Norfolk NRO MF 410 - Spendlove (277)

Secondary

• William Richard Cutter, Genealogical and Personal Memoirs, Lewis Historical Publishing Company, New York, 1908
• John Venn, J.A. Venn, Alumni Cantabrigiensis: Part I. From the Earliest Times to 1751, Volume II: Dabbs–Juxton, Cambridge University Press, 1922
• Charles Henry Pope, The Pioneers of Massachusetts, Charles Henry Pope, Boston, Massachusetts, 1900
• Robert Brand Hanson, Vital Records of Dedham, Massachusetts 1635–1845, Picton Press, Camden, Maine, 1997
• Robert Brand Hanson, Vital Records of Needham, Massachusetts 1711–1845, Picton Press, Camden, Maine, 1997
• W.A. Copinger, The Manors of Suffolk, The Hundreds of Hoxne, Lockford, and Loes, Volume 4, Taylor, Garnett, Evans, & Co., Ltd., Manchester, 1909
• Philip A. Fisher, The Fisher Genealogy: Record of the Descendants of Joshua, Anthony and Cornelius Fisher, of Dedham, Mass., 1636–1640, Massachusetts Publishing Company, Everett, Massachusetts, 1898

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